نصيحة لأصحاب البطاريتين

[سليمان الصقر]

طبعاً أقصد للي مركب بطاريه ثانية احتياطية بالموتر وسواءً مشبوكه بدقمه او كتاوت او جهاز رفيق الدرب على العموم النصيحة هي ان ياخذ معه فحمات دينمو احتياط لأني كنت مركب بطاريتين وبعدها بفتره بسيطه تعطل الدينمو وطلعت المشكلة من الفحمات وغيرتها وزانت الامور وبعدها يمكن بسنه ونص او سنتين تعطل معي الموتر وانا في سفر ومعي العائلة على طريق الشمال وبالتحديد بين ساموده وام عشر وطلعت المشكله برضه فحمات ومن حمد ربك اني حاط معي بالموتر فحمات احتياط وبساعة زمن فكيت الدينمو وغيرت الفحمات ورجع الموتر زي الحلاوه وعدها ألغيت البطارية الثانية وشريت بطارية من ساكو اللي يجي فيها اشتراك وتنشحن بالبيت واحطها بالموتر ومأدية الغرض وانا اتوقع والله أعلم ان وجود البطاريتين بالموتر يؤدي الى استهلاك اكثر لفحمات الدينمو
وصلى الله وبارك

[باترول شاص]

جـــــــــــــزاك الله خـــــــــــــــــــــير
لاكن شاحن ساكو ما يكفي للثلاجه وللكنود واللمبات , ضروره البطاريه الاضافيه لأصحاب البر شر لابد منه ولاكن من الافضل تغيير الدنمو لأمبيرأكثر على سبيل المثال دينمو الباترول القديم 70 امبير يتم تغييره الى دينمو ماكسيما 110 امبيراو دنمو فتك 100 امبير , وضروره احتفاض بفحمات دينمو احتياطيه جدا مهمه
اقبل مروري......

[كبسولة2]

أحسنت بارك الله فيك تجربة ونصيحة تشكر عليها

دائما أنصح الشباب بحمل الأشياء المهمة التي تتعطل باستمرار مثل

سيور وفحمات وكتاوت دينمو للعطل المفاجئ في الطريق

وأختصار الوقت والمال

[كبسولة2]

بالنسبة لتوليف الدينموات لا أنصح به أبدا

يوجد في المحلات دينموات أنمبير عالي 120 انمير إلى 220 أنبير

لكل نوع جمسات كابرسات فوردات جيوب اي سيارة مصنع لأحتياجات المستهلك

[عبار درب]

انا فكني الله شب الجيب 2012 بسبب البطارية الثانية لكن سلم الله و الاضرار بسيطة طبعا خطاء مني فكيت البطارية الثانية و خليت الكيابل مطلقة و التمست بعدها حرمت شريت بطارية مهندس مكشات و ارتحت حاجتي للأنارة فقط

[sgl2002]

والله ركبت بطاريه ١٠٥ امبير ع الباترول

وممتازه اشغل عليها لمبتين وكشاف دايركت بدون ماطور صغير والشاحن حق الجوال مايفصل


والموتر طافي ومع ذلك ماواجهت اي مشكله

[بدوي جنوبي]

لا تركب بطارية ثانيه الا بعد معرفة مخطط للتركيب

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/attachments/4x4-off-road-tech/28256d1376942779t-dual-batt-wiring-diagram-right-dual_battery.jpg




وهنا صورة لجهاز قوة البطارية وطريقة تركبه
http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2074
http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/images/products/large_2074_IBS-DBM.jpg

http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/images/products/large_2074_Controller1.jpg

http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/images/products/large_2074_DBM_Relay.jpg


http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/images/products/large_2074_DBM_Schem.jpg


تركيب بطارية لسيارة سلفرادو


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/FullFromDS.jpg

The original setup had the main battery charging 13.6V, while the Aux Battery was charging at 14.4V. I had used 8G wire from the alternator to the isolator, moved the factory charge wire for the main battery to the isolater, and ran an 8G charge wire from the isolater to the Aux battery. There was still a voltage drop on the main battery (to around 12.5v) when operating the plow, but the truck wasn't dieing every time i lifted the plow in sub zero temps.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/UnderHoodLabeled.jpg

Even with the upgraded charging system there appeared to be a problem with the headlights being too dim, especially when operating the plow. the problem was the way the lights were wired up to the truck/plow light selector switch. the factory wiring was 18g, and the harness was spliced near the headlights. there was 20g wiring(i don't even know where to buy wire that small!!!) ran from the front of the truck just behind the headlights, back into the cab, and back up to the headlights. That's about 14 feet of extra wire for each circuit. I'm sure there is a more efficient way of solving the problem, but my solution was a series of relays that drew it's supply for the lights from the AUX post on the under hood fuse box. the relays are all operated by the factory headlight wiring. Using relays also allowed me to cut the number of wires going back into the cab from 6 to 1. of course the headlights still dimmed a little when raising the plow, but they were deffinately brighter than before.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/Breakers.jpg

To answer the question of how to ground the Aux battery: the best bet is a double ground, just the way the factory battery is set up. There is a logic for this. For charging purposes, you want the shortest loop possible between your alternator and battery, for both charge leads and grounds. running your ground to the block will ensure that your factory ground strap from the block to the chasis (wich is very small in most cases) isn't overworked while charging your auxillary battery. For the same reason, you should ALSO use a ground to chasis. Running a ground to the chasis will create a better grounding connection for your accessories running on the aux battery. using only a block ground will require your accessories to ground through that same factory chasis to block ground strap mentioned above. for that reason i have used a 4g ground to the block, and a 1" ground strap to the chasis.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/GroundToBlock.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/ChasisGround.jpg

The Isolater i purchased was a little bulky, but workign for an HVAC shop i have access to all the tools and supplies i need to build mounting brackets. it may not be the prettiest thing in the world, but it is incredibly solid and fits quite nice. my only complaint is that it's a pain to remove everything should a water pump or p/s pump go out.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/AltIsoTopView.jpg

The next picture is not completely current, as i took it mid way through replacing battery cables and upgrading the charge leads. I decided to upgrade the charge leads because of the previously metioned difference between battery voltages while charging. I went with a 2g lead from the alternator to the isolator. from there i ran a 4g lead to the main battery, and left the 8g charge lead from the isolater to the auxillary battery in place. it was working well enough before, so i figure i'll wait to upgrade it untill accessory draw warrents the extra work. These upgrades, along with a 105/113A alternator have cured ALL of my charging woes.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/IsolaterWiring.jpg

During my first season plowing i added a set of fog lights to the back of the truck. This was before the auxillary battery was added, so they were wired to the main battery. Somehow i overlooked the rewiring of these when i added the second battery, so every time someone else used the truck i was getting a call to come jump start it. apparently its very difficult to remember to shut lights off when you are done using a vehicle. After rewiring this to the aux battery, i was getting complaints of that battery being dead, because again, they were leaving the lights on. finally i decided to add a relay and fuse block to the accessories, so the accessory feed from the aux battery would be shut off when the truck is shut off.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/FusePanelRelay.jpg




http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/AUXFuseBox.jpg

I realise this is starting to get off topic, but it's almost over! After wiring up the fuse box i decided to change the wiring to the accessories. originally the rear fog lights were operated by a switch near the truck/plow headlight selector, and the strobe was just plugged in to the cigarette lighter. It was too easy to forget to shut the lights off between jobs, and drive down the highway with the rear lights still on. also, i was sick of replacing the lighter plug end on the strobe light, because everyone was pulling on the wires, rather than the plug itself, to shut the strobe off. My solution was to add switches next to the plow control, with LED lights under the switch to indicate the light was on. the second switch was wired to an aftermarket cigarette lighter that i mounted behind the rear seat, between the back wall of the cab and the jack box. That socket is where the strobe plugs in. I didn't wire the strobe permanantly for two reasons. one, it was my strobe, not the bosses. and two, the boss didn't want the strobe left installed year round. The coffee stains you see in this photo are optional. the accessories will still work without that. :-)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/ControlWiring.jpg

I added a volt meter to the left of the slick stick to keep an eye on how the aux battery was charging. Also, the paint started chipping off of my custom bracket after i removed the slick stick for repairs. I looked for brackets online before i made my own, and i have to say the prices of some are rediculous. I'll continue repainting my home-made one until it is a pile of rust on the carpet! I do need to move this whole assembly though. I'm not sure you can tell from the pic, but that panel is located to the right of the steering column just below the heater controls. I've had a few complaints about people bumping the slick stick and accidentally dropping the plow while driving down the road, after changing a setting on the heater. I may just add a kill switch to the power for the plow controls, so that you have to turn the switch on before the slick stick will operate. It should work as long as people turn the switch off when they aren't plowing.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Thermos017/Plow%20Wiring/PlowControls.jpg

الرابط :

http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?t=56715&page=6

[بدوي جنوبي]

http://www.powerstream.com/z/iso-inst.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/WillieNunez/BatteryIsolatorPanel.jpg

شوف التنظيم
http://hellroaring.com/images/Auxiliary%20Battery%20Isolation.jpg


هذا مركب تحويله

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/dual_battery/my_dual_battery_setup.htm

[مفضخ الشري]

بارك الله فيك و غفر الله لنا و لك

شكراً على نصيحتك لأخوانك و معوض خير ان شاء الله

انا ضد اللعب بكهرباء السيارة و البطاريات المحموله آمن و افضل

[سليمان الصقر]

انا يكفيني فيهابالدرجه الاولى انها تشغل موتري في حال تعطلت وحلوه للإضاءه والاجهزه الخفيفه اما ثلاجه وما ثلاجه فانا ماطلعت للبر الا وبي فراق الثلاجه

[عبار درب]

انا فكني الله شب الجيب 2012 بسبب البطارية الثانية لكن سلم الله و الاضرار بسيطة طبعا خطاء مني فكيت البطارية الثانية و خليت الكيابل مطلقة و التمست بعدها حرمت شريت بطارية مهندس مكشات و ارتحت حاجتي للأنارة فقط
معذرة انا قصدت بطارية العضو دايم الخير

[ابوسند9]

اخوي سليمان
اكيد فيه خلل عندك اما منظم البطاريه او كتاوت او ماشابه
لان كثير من الناس مركب بطاريه اضافيه ولا قد سمعت بها المشكله,
لكن انا عن ما اعترف بشي اسمه بطاريه اضافيه ,
مركب بطاريه 105 امبير وعليها لمبات وثلاجة وكنود وكل ما بين 6 ساعات تزود وتنقص اذا الثلاجه شغال,
لكن للاسف بعض الناس يتعب ويخسر 1700 ريال على بطاريه اضافيه وتحصلها اخر شي مركب 60 امبير ما تشغل الثلاجه 5 ساعات

[المتلولس]

يعطيك العافيه ماقصرت

[wafian]

الله يجزاك الف الف خير

[الجارح2014]

يا اخوان اتوقع ما يخرب السيارات الا كثرة الكتاوتات انا مرمب بطاريه جافه 190 امبير وشابكها من البطاريه مباشره لها 4 سنوات وما شيه زي الحلاوه علما اني اشغل عليها غلايه شاي وثلاجه وممتازه جدا

[سليمان الصقر]

اخوي الجارح ياليت توضح لنا طريقتك وتشرح لنا أكثر عن البطاريه الجافه. وشاكر لك مرورك

[الجارح2014]

هلا اخوي سليمان الصقر اغلب خراب الدينمو من اللي يركب بطاريه على الدينمو لان البطاريه لا تستخدم الا قليل لذلك اذا لم تستخدم البطاريه كثير تنشف المويه الموجوده فيها الدينمو دايم شغال يشحن البطاريه اللي ناشفه مويتها لكن خلها شغاله مع البطاريه الاساسيه اشبكها من الاصليه وتاخذ وتعطي الموتر عشان تكون الكهرباء متحركه فيها.وانا شابكها بسلكين احمر واسود 35 ملي شابكها الموجب بالموجب والسالب بالسالب فقط عمليه بسيطه

[سليمان الصقر]

تسلم اخوي الجارح على التوضيح وشاكر لك ولكل لاخوان مرورهم على الموضوع

[صب لي فنجال]

الحمدلله على السلامه

ومشكور على التنبيه